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		<title>Why AIG (AIG) Is a Bargain and Ford (F) Is Not</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">When stocks are beaten down, many investors are tempted to bottom fish for bargains. There is nothing wrong with this. There are major profits to be made in bear markets.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> But <strong>Lynn Carpenter</strong> in Investor&#8217;s Daily Edge cautions investors against confusing a low stock price with a bargain: &#8220;Potential, not price, is the metric to follow when you’re tempted to bottom fish.&#8221; </font></p>
<p>That&#8217;s why insurer <strong>American International Group</strong> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(NYSE:<a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&#38;chdd=1&#38;chds=1&#38;chdv=1&#38;chvs=maximized&#38;chdeh=0&#38;chdet=1219918023636&#38;chddm=23460&#38;q=NYSE:AIG&#38;ntsp=0" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">AIG</a>) is a potential bargain and <strong>Ford Motor Company</strong> </font><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(NYSE:<a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&#38;chdd=1&#38;chds=1&#38;chdv=1&#38;chvs=maximized&#38;chdeh=0&#38;chdet=1219918191915&#38;chddm=23460&#38;q=NYSE:F&#38;ntsp=0" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">F</a>) is not&#8230;</font></p>
<blockquote><p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The trick is finding  beaten-down stocks that are <u>showing the potential for company profits</u>.  Unless the company has hopes of making money or at least paying you a dividend,  its stock is no bargain at any price.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">“It can’t fall any farther.” “It’s too important to&#8230;</font></p></blockquote>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">When stocks are beaten down, many investors are tempted to bottom fish for bargains. There is nothing wrong with this. There are major profits to be made in bear markets.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> But <strong>Lynn Carpenter</strong> in Investor&#8217;s Daily Edge cautions investors against confusing a low stock price with a bargain: &#8220;Potential, not price, is the metric to follow when you’re tempted to bottom fish.&#8221; </font></p>
<p>That&#8217;s why insurer <strong>American International Group</strong> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(NYSE:<a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&amp;chdd=1&amp;chds=1&amp;chdv=1&amp;chvs=maximized&amp;chdeh=0&amp;chdet=1219918023636&amp;chddm=23460&amp;q=NYSE:AIG&amp;ntsp=0" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">AIG</a>) is a potential bargain and <strong>Ford Motor Company</strong> </font><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(NYSE:<a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&amp;chdd=1&amp;chds=1&amp;chdv=1&amp;chvs=maximized&amp;chdeh=0&amp;chdet=1219918191915&amp;chddm=23460&amp;q=NYSE:F&amp;ntsp=0" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">F</a>) is not&#8230;</font><span id="more-4981"></span></p>
<blockquote><p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The trick is finding  beaten-down stocks that are <u>showing the potential for company profits</u>.  Unless the company has hopes of making money or at least paying you a dividend,  its stock is no bargain at any price.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">“It can’t fall any farther.” “It’s too important to fail”… these are follies. Big companies fail all the time. Just Google “Barings” if you want a spectacular example of a venerable company that went from blue chip to cow chip in record time.  </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">If Ford doesn’t sell cars, Toyota will. X number of cars are going to be bought next year, and even the old folks who used to only buy American are driving Hondas, Toyotas and Nissan’s these days. If AIG doesn’t sell you property insurance, ING, State Farm or AXA will. Where there are buyers lined up, competitors will come along and do business. This is how capitalism works. </font></p></blockquote>
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<p align="center"><font size="2"><strong><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Winners Cherry Pick!</font></strong><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br />
<strong>Losers Bottom Feed</strong></font></font></p>
<p align="center"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thousands of stocks have  just fallen 40% or more&#8230; most will continue to tumble… but you should still  overpower the markets.</font></p>
<p align="center"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because a select few  stocks are now set to roar back for outstanding near-term gains.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>It’s time to party like it’s 2002</strong><br />
You don’t want to miss out… because, today, you can jump into any one of seven companies at what should be their once-in-a-lifetime lows… each is poised to take you to new highs.</font></p>
<p align="center"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://web-purchases.com/RTL/ERTLJ700/" target="_blank">Grab this low-hanging fruit  here.</a></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">But with stocks like AIG and Ford so far down from their highs, a lot of investors are forgetting the reality of the business behind the stock. They see a cheap share that could make them thousands of dollars climbing back from today’s lows to reach yesterday’s highs again. It’s half of a right idea. What’s to lose?</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">A lot. Maybe everything. If the worst happens, Ford could follow Studebaker. AIG could go the way of American Mutual. It’s good to get a cheap stock, but it’s not a great idea in itself. A great move is getting a terrific company during a bad patch or one that others have underestimated and priced at a discount to its true potential. The key is in knowing the potential. It has zero relationship to a company’s historical share price. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Potential, not price, is  the metric to follow when you’re tempted to bottom fish. Let’s walk through two  contrasting cases.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">This week, <strong>AIG</strong> hit an 18-year low. Analysts expect the insurer to earn $4.94 per share next year. Insurance companies tend to command low P/E ratios, between 12 and 17 for property and casualty insurers. Go to the low end. Consider that analysts are too optimistic and figure on $3.40 per share in earnings, a 25% discount. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then take the very lowest historical P/E of 12. That makes AIG worth a theoretical $40.80. At today’s price of $19, it does represent a probable value… if the earnings estimates are even close. The company also has good long-term earnings potential if its derivatives write-downs don’t kill it first. More investigation is needed, but this is certainly worth checking.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now look at <strong>Ford</strong>. Analysts expect -$1.81 in earnings from Ford this year and -.78 next year. We’ll follow the same procedure &#8211; say it’s 25% worse. That’s -$.98 in earnings for 2009. There is no P/E because there are no positive earnings. There’s no dividend anymore, either. What about price to book value, a deal if it’s less than 1.0, right? A decent level might even go to 1.2 times book value per share like Daimler or Honda. The problem is that Ford’s so far in debt, its liabilities outweigh its assets and its book value is negative, too. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">No prospects of earnings foreseeable, no dividend, outrageous debt, book value under water… what would an investor hope for in Ford? Even Lee Iacocca isn’t that brave. Ford’s stock may be just north of $4, but it’s no bargain. If you want to take a bet on that, you are far braver than I am. You have to believe in magic. Ford is years away from financial health, if it ever gets there. As for a government bailout, the only one I see is one that protects the workers in its shattered pension plans. </font></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Somebody may make a  killing buying Ford today and reflecting on his coup 10 years from now, but  it’s a long shot.</font></p></blockquote>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.investorsdailyedge.com/" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">The Secret to Bottom Fishing Distressed Stocks</a></p>
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		<title>Why AIG (AIG) Is a Bargain and Ford (F) Is Not</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Contrarian Profits</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">When stocks are beaten down, many investors are tempted to bottom fish for bargains. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is nothing wrong with this. There are major profits to be made in bear markets.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> But <strong>Lynn Carpenter</strong> in Investor&#8217;s Daily Edge cautions investors against confusing a low stock price with a bargain: &#8220;Potential, not price, is  the metric to follow when you’re tempted to bottom fish.&#8221; </font></p>
<p>That&#8217;s why insurer <strong>American International Group</strong> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(NYSE:<a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&#38;chdd=1&#38;chds=1&#38;chdv=1&#38;chvs=maximized&#38;chdeh=0&#38;chdet=1219918023636&#38;chddm=23460&#38;q=NYSE:AIG&#38;ntsp=0" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">AIG</a>) is a potential bargain and <strong>Ford Motor Company</strong> </font><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(NYSE:<a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&#38;chdd=1&#38;chds=1&#38;chdv=1&#38;chvs=maximized&#38;chdeh=0&#38;chdet=1219918191915&#38;chddm=23460&#38;q=NYSE:F&#38;ntsp=0" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">F</a>) is not&#8230;</font></p>
<blockquote><p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The trick is finding  beaten-down stocks that are <u>showing the potential for company profits</u>.  Unless the company has hopes of making money or at least paying you a dividend,  its stock is no bargain at any price.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">“It can’t fall any farther.” “It’s too important to&#8230;</font></p></blockquote>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">When stocks are beaten down, many investors are tempted to bottom fish for bargains. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is nothing wrong with this. There are major profits to be made in bear markets.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> But <strong>Lynn Carpenter</strong> in Investor&#8217;s Daily Edge cautions investors against confusing a low stock price with a bargain: &#8220;Potential, not price, is  the metric to follow when you’re tempted to bottom fish.&#8221; </font></p>
<p>That&#8217;s why insurer <strong>American International Group</strong> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(NYSE:<a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&amp;chdd=1&amp;chds=1&amp;chdv=1&amp;chvs=maximized&amp;chdeh=0&amp;chdet=1219918023636&amp;chddm=23460&amp;q=NYSE:AIG&amp;ntsp=0" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">AIG</a>) is a potential bargain and <strong>Ford Motor Company</strong> </font><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(NYSE:<a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&amp;chdd=1&amp;chds=1&amp;chdv=1&amp;chvs=maximized&amp;chdeh=0&amp;chdet=1219918191915&amp;chddm=23460&amp;q=NYSE:F&amp;ntsp=0" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">F</a>) is not&#8230;</font><span id="more-110"></span></p>
<blockquote><p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The trick is finding  beaten-down stocks that are <u>showing the potential for company profits</u>.  Unless the company has hopes of making money or at least paying you a dividend,  its stock is no bargain at any price.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">“It can’t fall any farther.” “It’s too important to fail”… these are follies. Big companies fail all the time. Just Google “Barings” if you want a spectacular example of a venerable company that went from blue chip to cow chip in record time.  </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">If Ford doesn’t sell cars, Toyota will. X number of cars are going to be bought next year, and even the old folks who used to only buy American are driving Hondas, Toyotas and Nissan’s these days. If AIG doesn’t sell you property insurance, ING, State Farm or AXA will. Where there are buyers lined up, competitors will come along and do business. This is how capitalism works. </font></p></blockquote>
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<p align="center"><font size="2"><strong><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Winners Cherry Pick!</font></strong><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br />
<strong>Losers Bottom Feed</strong></font></font></p>
<p align="center"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thousands of stocks have  just fallen 40% or more&#8230; most will continue to tumble… but you should still  overpower the markets.</font></p>
<p align="center"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because a select few  stocks are now set to roar back for outstanding near-term gains.</p>
<p><strong>It’s time to party like it’s 2002</strong><br />
You don’t want to miss out… because, today, you can jump into any one of seven companies at what should be their once-in-a-lifetime lows… each is poised to take you to new highs.</font></p>
<p align="center"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://web-purchases.com/RTL/ERTLJ700/" target="_blank">Grab this low-hanging fruit  here.</a></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">But with stocks like AIG and Ford so far down from their highs, a lot of investors are forgetting the reality of the business behind the stock. They see a cheap share that could make them thousands of dollars climbing back from today’s lows to reach yesterday’s highs again. It’s half of a right idea. What’s to lose?</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">A lot. Maybe everything. If the worst happens, Ford could follow Studebaker. AIG could go the way of American Mutual. It’s good to get a cheap stock, but it’s not a great idea in itself. A great move is getting a terrific company during a bad patch or one that others have underestimated and priced at a discount to its true potential. The key is in knowing the potential. It has zero relationship to a company’s historical share price. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Potential, not price, is  the metric to follow when you’re tempted to bottom fish. Let’s walk through two  contrasting cases.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">This week, <strong>AIG</strong> hit an 18-year low. Analysts expect the insurer to earn $4.94 per share next year. Insurance companies tend to command low P/E ratios, between 12 and 17 for property and casualty insurers. Go to the low end. Consider that analysts are too optimistic and figure on $3.40 per share in earnings, a 25% discount. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then take the very lowest historical P/E of 12. That makes AIG worth a theoretical $40.80. At today’s price of $19, it does represent a probable value… if the earnings estimates are even close. The company also has good long-term earnings potential if its derivatives write-downs don’t kill it first. More investigation is needed, but this is certainly worth checking.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now look at <strong>Ford</strong>. Analysts expect -$1.81 in earnings from Ford this year and -.78 next year. We’ll follow the same procedure &#8211; say it’s 25% worse. That’s -$.98 in earnings for 2009. There is no P/E because there are no positive earnings. There’s no dividend anymore, either. What about price to book value, a deal if it’s less than 1.0, right? A decent level might even go to 1.2 times book value per share like Daimler or Honda. The problem is that Ford’s so far in debt, its liabilities outweigh its assets and its book value is negative, too. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">No prospects of earnings foreseeable, no dividend, outrageous debt, book value under water… what would an investor hope for in Ford? Even Lee Iacocca isn’t that brave. Ford’s stock may be just north of $4, but it’s no bargain. If you want to take a bet on that, you are far braver than I am. You have to believe in magic. Ford is years away from financial health, if it ever gets there. As for a government bailout, the only one I see is one that protects the workers in its shattered pension plans. </font></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Somebody may make a  killing buying Ford today and reflecting on his coup 10 years from now, but  it’s a long shot.</font></p></blockquote>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.investorsdailyedge.com/" title="Open a new browser window to learn more." target="_blank">The Secret to Bottom Fishing Distressed Stocks</a><a href="http://www.contrarianprofits.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/bargain.jpg" title="bargain.jpg"></a></p>
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