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	<title>Comments on: CDS Market Is a $50 Trillion Blind Date from Hell</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<description>Here is something my puny brain cannot understand, and I wish someone could explain it.  Here goes . . .

If a CDS is sold (say, by Lehman to a bond investor), and Lehman resold it, and on and on say, 10 times, they are selling two things:  (1) the insurance obligation and (2) the premiums or cash flow for assuming the risk of default.

Let&#039;s say this cash flow is 5% of the face value of the bond (the actual number doesn&#039;t matter), per year.

If Lehman sells a CDS to Goldman, they are selling both the risk and the risk premium, right?  Then Goldman sells to Morgan, etc....and here is my question:

How do we get to a 45 trillion market?  The income premium has not changed.  It&#039;s still at 5%.  What has happened is a simple income transfer, from Lehman to Goldman to Morgan, to....

The original bond purchaser will have a harder time finding out exactly who his insurer is.  But the premium he paid Lehman hasn&#039;t changed (5%)....

The only way I can see to get to a 45 trillion market in CDS derivatives is to inflate the price.  But no one would do that beyond the cash flow the insurance policy would pay.  Correct?

What am I missing?

Thanks in advance if you can clear this up for me.

S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is something my puny brain cannot understand, and I wish someone could explain it.  Here goes . . .</p>
<p>If a CDS is sold (say, by Lehman to a bond investor), and Lehman resold it, and on and on say, 10 times, they are selling two things:  (1) the insurance obligation and (2) the premiums or cash flow for assuming the risk of default.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say this cash flow is 5% of the face value of the bond (the actual number doesn&#8217;t matter), per year.</p>
<p>If Lehman sells a CDS to Goldman, they are selling both the risk and the risk premium, right?  Then Goldman sells to Morgan, etc&#8230;.and here is my question:</p>
<p>How do we get to a 45 trillion market?  The income premium has not changed.  It&#8217;s still at 5%.  What has happened is a simple income transfer, from Lehman to Goldman to Morgan, to&#8230;.</p>
<p>The original bond purchaser will have a harder time finding out exactly who his insurer is.  But the premium he paid Lehman hasn&#8217;t changed (5%)&#8230;.</p>
<p>The only way I can see to get to a 45 trillion market in CDS derivatives is to inflate the price.  But no one would do that beyond the cash flow the insurance policy would pay.  Correct?</p>
<p>What am I missing?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance if you can clear this up for me.</p>
<p>S.</p>
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